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Rik vanKeulen

I am not really raised with the idea of a soul. Nevertheless, the notion of PUI (permanent, unitary and independent) self, although not existing, does appear strongly. I have all kinds of notions about myself, such as ‘not good at meditation’, ‘good at long distance running’, as permanent characteristics which have become part of my identity. Although they are not the PUI self (the non-existing puppet player or controller which seems to be separate from or somewhere ‘behind’ the aggregates), I do see the PUI self notion contributing to such unrealistic identity characteristics which creates more suffering, disappointments, frustrations than necessary.