Y2Q18) Individual and collective karma

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    • #3023
      Rik vanKeulen
      Keymaster

      Yogachara does not accept the idea of a collective consciousness but does support the idea of individual and collective (shared) karma. In what sense do you think your actions could have a social or collective aspect?

    • #3026
      Mircea Mocanu
      Keymaster

      Your question is not something I came up with, but it made me respond. So in a way the words are type are from own seeds but with the question as a soil. In the same way another will come and read this and that, they will write further on.

    • #3066
      Ingrid Lander
      Participant

      A philosophically very interesting aspect of how we as humans do in relation to each other. I would like to say that there are several levels of social/collective karma. The more private level within a family – which can consist of blood ties or close friends who are the family of our choice. Worldviews and values are shared, which means that actions based on these take place in interaction with “like-minded”, i.e. a creation and recreation of patterns of action.
      Then there is the more collective level in, for example, an area of work, for my own part in academia. Here, certain expected patterns of action are created and recreated where we expect and expect others to act within specific frameworks. Karma – the seed of patterns of action – is planted and grows by repeating the actions and notions of the state of affairs created in this social context. We repeat them as if it were a truth in itself.

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      Floris Veen
      Participant

      Collectieve karma as a result, in another way, could also be the environment that we humans perceive and share in a general way. I wonder how we, in all its complexity have created this collective result. Did we only individually create causes for a human existence where we meet our fellow human beings who created the same cause, or was there also a collective aspect to it (to being here in this world at this time with these people)?

    • #3090
      Rik vanKeulen
      Keymaster

      It is a very intricate topic indeed. Reading your contributions made me think again about question Y2Q5. It starts with: “We are continuously adding new seeds (imprints) in our alaya, which at one time will also come out: 1) creating future experiences; 2) creating habitual patterns; 3) formation of concepts; 4) contributing to words and language.” Language must play such an important role in creating this collective karma, which we should perhaps call ‘similar karma’. Similar in time, in space, in object. We could be looking at the same thanka, and thru language we exchange information how beautiful it is, how it raises a sense of aspiration, etc. Still the experience is individual and different, but language increases a feeling of shared experience, shared action and thereby karma so similar, that we can call it collective karma.

    • #3103
      Floris Veen
      Participant

      Thanks for the explanation about the role of language in creating a collective environment. In a way quite obvious but I never looked at it that way. There is always a strong feeling that there is a world out there apart from my mind designating ‘wholes’. Such a world could never create a shared experience as it would be independent, in fact it could never exist. By sharing the same labels using our similar human senses we create this world together!

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